Curbed Cup Round 1: Hollywood (2) vs. Los Feliz (15)
Let me start by saying that I live in Los Feliz (Laughlin Park), So obviously I am going to vote for Los Feliz, as this is the best neighborhood contest. And I also love, love, love, love Hollywood, because when I’m walking around Hollywood, I feel like I’m in a real city. I also love that I live less than a mile away, in what feels like a million miles away. Los Feliz is filled with people that used to live in Hollywood and Silver Lake, and grew up, had kids and make more money.
It's Curbed Cup Time! Nominate LA's Neighborhood of the Year!
East Hollywood aka EHO
10 Reasons Why…
We might not yet have a Target, but we have a
1) New Boutique Hotel coming up on 5600 Hollywood Blvd by atelier V
2) Plans for Hollywood Central Park are underway.
3) We have some of the best El Mac and Digital Retina murals in the city
4) The New Los Feliz Hotel on our border
5) 216,000 sq/ft Mixed use Building coming to Hillhurst and Hollywood also on our border
6) A Newly opened Marshall’s & Petco (Corner of Western & Hollywood)
7)SQIRL-(and its phenomenon) which claims to be in Silver Lake but is technically in East Hollywood & Square One,both great Breakfast spots
8) cicLAvia hub in our HellMel district (Helitrope and Melrose)
9) An Updated campus of LACC, (New Pool and various updated building and playing field/parking lot)
10) The redevelopment of Fountain Ave, just west of Vermont
It's Curbed Cup Time! Nominate LA's Neighborhood of the Year!
East Hollywood aka EHO
10 Reasons Why
We might not yet have a Target but we have
1) A new Boutique Hotel coming to 5600 Hollywood Blvd, by atelier V.
2) The plans for Hollywood Central Park are underway
3) We have some of the best el Mac and Digital Retina murals in the city
4) A new Marshall’s & Petco on the corner of Hollywood and Western
5) The New Los Feliz Hotel right on our border
6) The new 216,000 sq/ft mixed-use project coming to Hillhurst and Hollywood also on our border
7) A newly renovated LACC, with new pool, Sports field, and parking lot
8) SQIRL-(and it’s phenomenon) which claims to be in Silver Lake but is technically in East Hollywood, Square One both great breakfast spots
9) cicLAvia Hub in our HellMel district (Heliotrope and Melrose)
10) Redevelopment of Fountain Ave, just west of Vermont (it’s finally coming around)
What other entrances to the Hollyridge trail are you suggesting: those off of Deronda or Bronson Canyon? Bronson is too far from the sign to make a worthwhile alternative to Beachwood. There is a way to enter off Hollyridge, but I don’t think you want to publicize that do you? As for Deronda, that of course is about the closest you can get (not counting the little spur of Muholland Highway near the junction with Ledgewood) And the problem with Muholland Highway spur is the NIMBYs are particularly belligerant with faux no parking signs there.. Then there is little trail called Innsdale Dr. on Google Maps, accessible at 6342 Muholland Dr.. That’s a nice approach but nowhere near the Hollyridge trail. So you’ve closed the most accessible entrance to Hollyridge trail, meaning you would have to enter from far away and hike to the trail which would at that point not be the most efficient way to the sign anyway. I would say its fair to say the trail has been closed, but if you want we can say the trailhead has been closed. Yes, nobody would ticket you or arrest you for going around the gate. But you would probably have to be a resident or Gizmodo to know that. You’ve closed the trail. Stop calling torture, EITs.
Now as you say, the lookout on Canyon Lake Dr.(you call it Muholland) is pretty damn good, but NIMBYs fight that too. And the view pales to the view from the top of Deronda. And at this point there is no trail to the top of the sign from there. Maybe the six your old doesn’t care about that but other worthwhile people do..
This issue of a shuttle requiring the closure of parking on one side of Beachwood is an interesting piece of information I had not heard before, but it sounds a little to me like the result of some arcane city law that could be waived. I mean it seems like a DASH could easily fit up Beachwood with cars parked on both sides of the street without much issue. Beachwood isn’t as thin as say Deronda or Hollyridge. But in any case, one solution would be a much smaller shuttle, even an Electrically powered shuttle (just use more of them.) The point is this might make your NO PARKING signs more palatable if at least you provide tourists and other people an option.
Reddit Says LA is the Most Disappointing Place in the World
@ReservoirChick: Loved the theme of that video but the dulcet, soporific tone barely captures two degrees of the LA circle. If you want a video, Ozomatli more captures how I experience LA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN9vfaP0Jok Nobody here needs to hear the old saw usually misattributed to Dorothy Parker (but actually written by Aldous Huxley) that, Los Angeles is "nineteen suburbs in search of a metropolis" but it’s still the truth. DTLA is certainly coalescing into that central metropolis but we’ll likely always be a patchwork of suburbs and who the fuck wants to visit any bedroom community unless it’s to spend Holidays with the family or climb into somebody’s bed for a workout in that bedroom community? Even if you told visitors to hit Silver Lake and then Echo Park and then Highland Park and then the Arts District they’d be spending 50% their time in the car. Or if they tried public transit, 98% of their time. As a tourist, you need to attack this city section by section… and still rent a comfortable car…
You Have to Make $96,513 to Afford a Cheap House in LA
You snobs who will only live in crime infested main section of LA make me laugh. As a Realtor in the San Fernando Valley, this article is crap. Notice how the north half of the city is missing. I can get you into a nice house in Encino with only 3%, fixed for 30 years, for about $2000 a month PITI. And in Lake Balboa even better. Then I teach my buyers how to shorten their mortgage on their own which saves them about $50-80k over the life of the loan. Safe, affordable, clean San Fernando Valley.
You Have to Make $96,513 to Afford a Cheap House in LA
@Chewie: "Most housing starts out expensive because it is contemporary and incorporates all the latest features. Over time, these buildings are replaced by even newer and more desirable buildings and the old buildings and become relatively affordable." Really? When and where have you seen this happen? Name a neighborhood in LA where the rents and prices of older housing are going down or staying level. If anything, the new housing that’s priced high drags existing housing prices up because more lower and middle income people are vying for less housing on the market. My rent-controlled apartment has no amenities except that it happens to be in America’s hippest ’hood — Silver Lake — and you can bet that if I were to move the landlord would throw some new white paint on the walls, replace the shades and carpet, and double the rent. Even with condos and apartments going up around the neighborhood and in nearby Glendale, he would have no incentive to fluff this place up with air-conditioning, insulation, appliances and 20th century electrical and keep the rent affordable.
"Name a neighborhood in LA where the rents and prices of older housing are going down or staying level. If anything, the new housing that’s priced high drags existing housing prices up because more lower and middle income people are vying for less housing on the market."
This comment doesn’t make sense. First of all you have to remember a little thing called inflation. Also, that in past decades housing was really undervalued, meaning that non-indexed housing prices will rarely stay flat or go down unless we are in a pretty serious recession. Rent-controlled prices are evidence of this (they go up every year) but are still far cheaper than other market rate prices.
Second, you have to consider that Chewies argument will be less visible if demand increases but no less valid. If demand for all housing increases faster than new luxury housing is built than all housing will rise in price. However, the newest luxury housing will reduce SOME demand which softens the rise in the price of the now older "more affordable" housing. Basically, the price of older housing may still go up but it would have gone up even MORE if the new luxury housing had not been built.
Your argument against the economic benefit of new luxury housing might be true in two circumstances:
1) Larger older multi-unit buildings are being torn down to build smaller luxury housing (eg park la brea is leveled and turned into expensive low-rise housing).
2) Luxury housing is so fancy that it being built brings induces outside demand (eg a fancy new building is populated by a bunch of oil sheiks from dubai who would otherwise not moved to LA).
As far as (1) – I don’t see a lot of this going on – as long as LA has tons of surface parking lots of low-rise strip malls to build on it doesn’t make sense to tear down rent producing buildings for luxury housing… Of course I could be wrong and there may be examples of this happening… .
As far as (2) – I don’t think LA lacks wealthy people to fill it’s luxury buildings OR builds apartments luxurious enough to entice a large amount of people to move in. This is however true in micro environments as you might have realized in Silver Lake but not true for the entirety of LA.
It’s certainly true that an increase of luxury housing in Highland park likely drags UP the price of housing adjacent to the new luxury housing as the desirability of the neighborhood as a whole increases. Of course as long as the majority of the people come there from somewhere in LA…. overall housing prices will be reduced as a result of the building of luxury housing.